Public professional wrestling is its own thing of course but private individuals engaging in 'death matches' is something else where verbal and textual meetfighters hyperbole is not involved.
This comes under the Public Order Act the offence of affray having been abolished in 1987. England and Wales only since SCOTLAND is an entirely different country with its own laws though there are, of course, public order laws there as well.
If gambling and betting on fights is involved so that it is organised undeground fighting (usually with criminal involvement) it is much more serious. Private SPORTING bouts are different but to what degree needs more clarification, maybe by more legal experts here.
"It is created by section 3 of the Public Order Act 1986 which provides:
(1) A person is guilty of affray if he uses or threatens unlawful violence towards another and his conduct is such as would cause a person of reasonable firmness present at the scene to fear for his personal safety.
(2) Where 2 or more persons use or threaten the unlawful violence, it is the conduct of them taken together that must be considered for the purposes of subsection (1).
(3) For the purposes of this section a threat cannot be made by the use of words alone.
(4) No person of reasonable firmness need actually be, or be likely to be, present at the scene.
(5) Affray may be committed in private as well as in public places.
(6) ... [Repealed]
(7) A person guilty of affray is liable on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or a fine or both, or on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum or both.[5]
The term "violence" is defined by section 8.[clarification needed]
Section 3(6) once provided that a constable could arrest without warrant anyone he reasonably suspected to be committing affray, but that subsection was repealed by paragraph 26(2) of Schedule 7 to, and Schedule 17 to, the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005, which includes more general provisions for police to make arrests without warrant.
The mens rea of affray is that person is guilty of affray only if he intends to use or threaten violence or is aware that his conduct may be violent or threaten violence.[6]
The offence of affray has been used by HM Government to address the problem of drunken or violent individuals who cause serious trouble on airliners.[citation needed]
In R v Childs & Price (2015),[7][8] the Court of Appeal quashed a murder verdict and replaced it with affray, having dismissed an allegation of common purpose."
If I get more info then I'll pass it on but in underground gay wrestling it is actually very rare for truly bloody bouts to take place as these exist more in the realms of fantasy than reality for most people. This is fair enough as everybody needs to turn up at work the next day in good shape. I can comment further on this where such events have occurred over the years but they were rare.
Thanks for looking into this, and it clarifies a lot of things. The charge of affect is commonly used to prosecute football hooliganism, for instance.
But I’m wondering about a law specifically against chain matches - if there is one.
As a side note, I understand that in Canada there is a law on “consensual fighting “. I hear it saves cops having to make an arrest every time a punch-up between two people breaks out. Which apparently is quite common there.
Does anyone know if chain matches in professional wrestling or organised fighting competitions are illegal under England and Wales laws?
Years ago I distinctly remember reading a newspaper article about an MP who had successfully passed a bill through parliament outlawing chain matches.
Any lawyers on MF or fighters with keen legal minds who can look it up? He/she might be able to find a loophole, which also comes in very handy if you’re in a chain match.
celtwrestle (46 )
2020-05-14 09:15This thread’s about the law and chain fighting. Wouldn’t there be a separate thread for you girlies to idly goad each other?
Beefyscot (3)
2020-06-23 21:11(Válaszképp erre)
Fighting
Pit cages
Chains need and should be used privately or rings mate
CoachSal (13 )
2020-05-14 19:24(Válaszképp erre)
Bravo!!!!!!!
grovepark4u (7)
2020-05-10 13:43This is from Wikipedia....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcore_wrestling
Public professional wrestling is its own thing of course but private individuals engaging in 'death matches' is something else where verbal and textual meetfighters hyperbole is not involved.
grovepark4u (7)
2020-05-10 13:41This comes under the Public Order Act the offence of affray having been abolished in 1987. England and Wales only since SCOTLAND is an entirely different country with its own laws though there are, of course, public order laws there as well.
If gambling and betting on fights is involved so that it is organised undeground fighting (usually with criminal involvement) it is much more serious. Private SPORTING bouts are different but to what degree needs more clarification, maybe by more legal experts here.
"It is created by section 3 of the Public Order Act 1986 which provides:
(1) A person is guilty of affray if he uses or threatens unlawful violence towards another and his conduct is such as would cause a person of reasonable firmness present at the scene to fear for his personal safety.
(2) Where 2 or more persons use or threaten the unlawful violence, it is the conduct of them taken together that must be considered for the purposes of subsection (1).
(3) For the purposes of this section a threat cannot be made by the use of words alone.
(4) No person of reasonable firmness need actually be, or be likely to be, present at the scene.
(5) Affray may be committed in private as well as in public places.
(6) ... [Repealed]
(7) A person guilty of affray is liable on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or a fine or both, or on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum or both.[5]
The term "violence" is defined by section 8.[clarification needed]
Section 3(6) once provided that a constable could arrest without warrant anyone he reasonably suspected to be committing affray, but that subsection was repealed by paragraph 26(2) of Schedule 7 to, and Schedule 17 to, the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005, which includes more general provisions for police to make arrests without warrant.
The mens rea of affray is that person is guilty of affray only if he intends to use or threaten violence or is aware that his conduct may be violent or threaten violence.[6]
The offence of affray has been used by HM Government to address the problem of drunken or violent individuals who cause serious trouble on airliners.[citation needed]
In R v Childs & Price (2015),[7][8] the Court of Appeal quashed a murder verdict and replaced it with affray, having dismissed an allegation of common purpose."
You could have a look at this study...
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233034930_The_Spiral_of_Violence_Equity_of_Violent_Reprisal_in_Professional_Wrestling_and_its_Dispositional_and_Motivational_Features
Or this video...
If I get more info then I'll pass it on but in underground gay wrestling it is actually very rare for truly bloody bouts to take place as these exist more in the realms of fantasy than reality for most people. This is fair enough as everybody needs to turn up at work the next day in good shape. I can comment further on this where such events have occurred over the years but they were rare.
celtwrestle (46 )
2020-05-11 00:30(Válaszképp erre)
Thanks for looking into this, and it clarifies a lot of things. The charge of affect is commonly used to prosecute football hooliganism, for instance.
But I’m wondering about a law specifically against chain matches - if there is one.
As a side note, I understand that in Canada there is a law on “consensual fighting “. I hear it saves cops having to make an arrest every time a punch-up between two people breaks out. Which apparently is quite common there.
wrestlerspig (14)
2020-05-10 15:43(Válaszképp erre)
Agreed, we do have to go to work the next day and some of us have to look presentable and professional.
mikey3458 (25 )
2020-07-21 10:46(Válaszképp erre)
Waiting for you wrestlepig, i have rope. Can get chain.. work me over right in my wrestling ring. Or anyone else who can come to Claymont De.
celtwrestle (46 )
2020-05-09 07:21Does anyone know if chain matches in professional wrestling or organised fighting competitions are illegal under England and Wales laws?
Years ago I distinctly remember reading a newspaper article about an MP who had successfully passed a bill through parliament outlawing chain matches.
DM-Boxer (11 )
2020-05-10 06:23(Válaszképp erre)
Hope to start with it after lock down is over, so hopefully not ;-)
celtwrestle (46 )
2020-05-10 07:43(Válaszképp erre)
Any lawyers on MF or fighters with keen legal minds who can look it up? He/she might be able to find a loophole, which also comes in very handy if you’re in a chain match.
Beefyscot (3)
2020-05-12 07:18(Válaszképp erre)
Are you coming to the uk
wrestlerspig (14)
2020-05-12 16:17(Válaszképp erre)
I envy your lucky jobbers in the UK who get to have a chain match with you.
Squashlad (243 )
2020-05-09 22:30(Válaszképp erre)
I hope not—that would really ruin my fun!
CoachSal (13 )
2020-05-10 06:36(Válaszképp erre)
and mine....on you Squash!!
Beefyscot (3)
2020-05-10 05:12(Válaszképp erre)
And mine
Squash
And Celt
AbqWrestler1 (1 )
2020-05-11 07:11(Válaszképp erre)
YOU'RE ALL TALK, BOY!!!! Denny Cockstrong
Beefyscot (3)
2020-05-11 07:45(Válaszképp erre)
I would fight you abq.
AbqWrestler1 (1 )
2020-05-11 08:00(Válaszképp erre)
I'm STILL Waitin', BOY!!!!!
Beefyscot (3)
2020-05-11 08:01(Válaszképp erre)
It's on where when agreed